Traditional Irish Music
The changing face of the great Irish folk/trad music is a complete disaster. Punk groups trying to play Irish folk music can only be described as a laughable as for the rock one of the rolling stones said this music is beautiful and should be left alone. Thank god for the Chieftans and the Dubliners. Stop making a mockery of our music.
ok, I'll bite...
can I assume these fellows don't refer to their music as "Irish Traditional"?
or, maybe I'd nee dan example to understand the contention...
I've been a member of the Chiff & Fipple board for a lotta years..
Funny how folk get to raggin on the likes of Riverdance & what not...cuz it's got a synth under some pipes..
I mean cmon, Davey Spillaine??
the dubliners are the original singers of whiskey in the jar thin lixxy copied it from the dubliners who were the greatest folk group ever to come out of ireland plus clancy brothers as well they started this great irish folk music its not rock music we see enough of that on x factor
stumbled onto Clancy brothers only in the past year or so
the clancy brothers started irish folk music after an appearence on the ad sullivan show they were well known in the usa songs of rebellion love drinking songs after the clancys the dubliners started luke kelly regarded as the greatest ever to come out of ireland folk singer irish folk music is magic mixed with the punkies rock does not work
Interesting thread. However I think that your dislike of rock/modern versions of "trad" music is based more on your personal tastes... that's good because if we all liked the same things, the world would be a rather boring place. If you prefer The Chieftains and the Dubliners to Thin Lizzy/The Pogues etc then that's fine as it's your personal choice.
I live the other side of the world in a country where the number of young "trad" players is increasing by the day, which is also good. I'm lucky to be part of an organisation that consists of up to 40 or 50 fiddlers ranging in age from around 10 to north of 70 (I'm at the more... ahem... "senior" end of that range). I get to session with not only the "old hands" but also youngsters who have learned their chops either as children (or grand children) of folkies from my era or because they learned violin as young children and got switched on to this "cool music" by listening to "trad" players from a variety of backgrounds - recordings of (or workshops with) Kevin Burke, Alasdair Fraser etc through to acoustic “trad” bands such as Lunasa, Danu etc through to "rock/punk/experimental" bands such as Capercaillie, The Pogues, Peatbog Faeries etc - plus local "Folk/Rock" bands from our country. And lest you think that the latter is not a starting point, please read Donal Shaw's excellent liner notes on Capercaillie's "Grace and Pride" "Best of" anthology. I'm sure that this situation is the same in Ireland/Scotland/US/New Zealand/Canada etc etc
So please don't discount the value of music that you don't personally like. It has its place.
Moving sideways a little I did note a few comments from others about your original post. A common thread is what passes as a "traditional" instrument. If you read noted musicologist Sean O'Riada's "Our Musical Heritage" (Dolman Press 1982) you'll see that he strongly disliked the Piano, Banjo, Guitar, Saxophone, Accordian. Of course these instruments have long been accepted as part of the "trad" musical landscape - the piano in particular. Interestingly he played the harpsichord with his "band", Ceoltoiri Chuallan (a precursor to The Chieftains). Of course his opinion was a milestone along the way and many of the instruments that he criticised with such venom are now part of mainstream "trad".
Another comment stated that "the dubliners are the original singers of whiskey in the jar". I somehow doubt this. It probably originates from long before any of The Dubliners were born. I've even come across an Australian version which refers to the trooper as Frederick Pottinger, a well known policeman from the bushranging era of the 1880s and American collector Alan Lomax also collected variants. A quick search of Wikipedia states that "The song collector Colm Ó Lochlainn, in his book Irish Street Ballads described how his mother learnt "Whiskey in the Jar" in Limerick in 1870", although it also dates the song's origins to at least the 17th century
Yet another "the clancy brothers started irish folk music after an appearence on the ad sullivan show". As far as I can tell, that appearance was in 1961, long after the modern “Folk Music” movement had gained hold and the appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show served to bring their music to middle class America. There are many field recordings of the Clancys and Tommy Makem (and their families) which long predate 1961.
Not sure what all of this proves except to say that the music has been around for ages and has withstood many changes (as any living tradition must) over time. And these young teenagers that I’m privileged to session with/share the stage with show me that the future is in good hands. Enjoy!
quite a mouthful Peter, but I appreciate it.
I'm sure folk will take issue with you, and each is entitled to his/her opinion naturally.
I however, respect your wisdom and think you're bringing some fine balance & perspective to the discussion.
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