The Roscommon Reel (aka Master Crowley's #2)

An Irish tune flatpicked on the guitar.

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Comment by Kathy Barwick on June 13, 2012 at 21:43

I mean recommend, not recommended!!!

Comment by Kathy Barwick on June 13, 2012 at 21:42

Zeal, I like your song very much. Very strong, in tune, and I love the bit of vibrato in there (I don't have any, so I always appreciate just a wee bit). Your guitar playing is very strong, and I especially like the economy in your left hand. Nicely done! And I agree with Dhomhnaill.... nice arrangement too.

So, Aiden's/Daley's.... just the opposite. I'm pretty much playing bluegrass here... well, it's a bit of a mix. That run you keep hearing in Aiden's, especially right at the start, that's a Clarence White lick.

Daley's is even more bluegrassy. Boom-chuck, half-time bass runs, some crosspicking. No Irish there. Sally Garden's/Franks Reel, bluegrassy as well.

Star of the County Down, more Doyle-ish. Except for the guitar solo, which sounds to me like equal parts David Grier and Clarence White. Escher's etc, Doyle style (there ain't no jigs in bluegrass music).

Golden Keyboard, I start with a rather trite bluegrass riff (did it live once and the place went crazy so I just incorporated it into the arrangement). The rhythm that follows is Doyle-esque. Or I should be fair and say that when I finally started paying attention to McGlynn, I realized that he was probably first on that. I really haven't done enough homework yet to say where things came from (only where I got them from). And of course in the GK set, there's a bluegrass banjo (also appears in Frank's Reel). So we were definitely trying for a mix of things here.

I studied one of Doyle's instructional DVDs and that's where I learned it. So I highly recommended it!

Thanks much for all the feedback!

Comment by Zeal S. on June 13, 2012 at 18:50

Danny,

Thanks for the gracious comments.  My voice is always "ify".  "If" it's this particular key, or"if" it's this particular range, or "if" I don't have a cold, or "if" I am not scared to death to sing in front of people...  sometimes my voice works and sometimes it don't.

Maybe I should play the song in G, that way I don't need to use a capo.  That guitar is an old cheap Harmony.  It has the neck twisted, and if I move the capo up to the fifth fret so that it is in my range, then it is way out of tune.  However, I now have a used Breedlove that I bought off craigslist for $500.  I love it!

-Zeals

Comment by Dhomhnaill A. Lopez on June 13, 2012 at 18:39

Hi Kathy!! Hi Zeal!!

Hope you don't mind me eavesdropping on your informative conversation.

Kathy,... I was very interested in your use of the Low E/partial capo thingie. I've screened your video (LOVE IT!!!) about 4X already (the last time I noticed your partial capo placement). I never would have thought of that and now I'm anxious to try it. I also checked into your "Nine 8THs Irish" website and was impressed. I enjoyed listening to your group's performances. Nice stuff!!!

Hey Zeal,....Can't let you get away. I figured if I'm going to be nosy and eavesdrop, be nosy all the way!!! I listened to your performance of "Ode to Camp Hoblitzelle" and thoroughly enjoyed it. I especially liked when you slowed down with the single strums toward the end. You have a very nice voice and the slow-down helped to bring it out more. Well done.

Well done, ladies!!! Well, I guess I'll creep back into the shadows for now!!! Cheers,

Danny

Comment by Zeal S. on June 13, 2012 at 18:09

In "Aiden's/Daley's Reel" is that where you are trying to sound like John Doyle, and add that "G run"?

Please forgive me... I am still trying to distinguish reels from Jigs.  And I really have a hard time telling the difference between Irish and Bluegrass.  I guess I don't pay enough attention to the "genre"  I just listen and try to be familiar with how to play with it.  Man I got alot to learn.

sorry... I promise not to continue rambling on and on.  I just love this stuff!!  I wish I could have found this "sub-culture" 25 years ago.  I know someone that makes concertinas, and he introduced me to all this Irish music, and I guess I still have the "zeal" of newbie discoveries.

-Zeals

Comment by Kathy Barwick on June 13, 2012 at 17:53

cool, Zeal!

0-18, is a smaller size guitar, a Martin. Great for practicing.

you don't need a special capo, unless you're using the kind that go all the way around the neck. I use a regular Shubb and just don't put it over all the strings.

Linda is a world-class fiddler. I was sad when she and Chris (yes, awesome bodhran playing there!) moved back to TX. Your gain! I have played at Trinity, last year we played NTIF. Maybe next year!

Flatpicking: I write for Flatpicking Guitar Magazine: http://www.flatpick.com/

I haven't done much on Irish stuff, since I don't consider myself an expert. I did do a couple of columns on The Wise Maid (misnamed in the magazine "Wise Old Maid"!!!); it's on 98i's first album. FGM has an associated website, the Flatpicking Guitar Network: http://flatpick.ning.com/

There is a Celtic group, you might want to read through the discussions. I did an instructional video there on a tune, and my page has a lot of ideas in the sound files about harmonically supporting Irish tunes.

However, Doyle says the same stuff in his Acoustic Guitar lesson! and that's more or less where I got it from (also, here: http://coyotebanjo.com/music-group-28.html)

Lots of great resources out there. Listening is of course the most important thing.

Comment by Zeal S. on June 13, 2012 at 17:31

Yes, you're name and photo are on the CD package, but I only carry the CD itself in my car.

So I guess I need to start paying attention to CD covers!  :)

-Zeals

Comment by Zeal S. on June 13, 2012 at 17:13

OPPS, I accidentally hit the [Add Comment] button..

Hello Kathy,

NO WAY!??!  OH MY GOSH!!  I own ONE Irish album, that I listen to in my car all the time.  (Well, I do have church music I have to listen to and learn too)  I am extremely picky about who and what I listen to when I am trying to learn new sounds and music.  I don't like listening to music that I think will poorly influence my learning techniques.  Guess what that Album is??  "Out on the Ocean"!!  You're name is not on the CD itself, and I had no idea when I listened to you here on this site, that you were the one playing on that album. 

See I really do listen intuitively to music.  I could hear your familiar style, but I had no idea that it was the same person that I have been listening to for months now.

Several months ago I listened to Linda Relph play the fiddle at home sessions and at Trinity Hall.  I'm not sure if she really believes me when I tell her that she plays "Beyond" other players.  But, I went up to her and told her how much I liked her playing.  I didn't know anything about her, but I assumed that someone of her caliber must have an album, so I asked her if she had one.  She happen to have "Out on the Ocean" with her, and I bought it.  I have also had the chance to meet Chris.  He's a great bodhran player, and I guess he's only been playing it for as long as I have been playing the guitar.  He also has a dynamic energetic style that I seldom hear from other bodhran players.

Nice! I never thought of using a partial capo and in D but hearing E.
My next question was going to be... why don't you just use Drop-D?  BUT you answered that already.  :)
So now it can be played in E or D.  Nice!  Duh... this is the kind of stuff I just never think of, and why I appreciate being able to connect with you.  Of-course I would love to see you in concert... or maybe you could show up at Trinity Hall with Linda some first Saturday?  I guess we're a few states away though.

I took the Drop-D class with Jeff Moore last year at O'Flaherty's Retreat.  This year I am signed up to take standard guitar from Fionan de Barra.

I listen to "The Golden Keyboard", and imagine myself being able to play it some day.  At the moment though I wish I could just play the chords when Linda starts playing, so that I could surprise her at a home session with the fact that I actually learned the 9/8th's version.

So Cool, So Cool.  I will immediately start listening to more of your guitar playing, consider buying a partial capo, and do some research on "flatpicking".

If you care to, you can see a video of me at http://www.dallasslowsessions.com/PhotoVideos.aspx

Scroll to the bottom of the page, and click on "Ode To Camp Hoblitzelle".  That's me :)  That's the best I can do right now.  It's long, and I am just trying to tell a story, so you don't have to listen to it all.  I'm still heavily into chords, but when I try to play with fast players, I have to start picking because I cant keep up with the strumming... (or "thrashing"... I love that discussion they have going on this site about thrashing not being traditional.)

What did you mean when you said, "I use my 0-18.... easier on the arm."??  What is o-18?

Thanks again for sharing your gifts of music!

-Zeals

Comment by Kathy Barwick on June 13, 2012 at 16:52

Well of course my name is on the CD package. Picture of me, too! So glad you like that. You should be aware that I'm a bluegrass flatpicker entering Irish music here... on that album I even play a G run or two, and lots of crosspicking. You also hear me (especially on jigs) trying to sound a bit like Doyle.

So I would highly recommend that you listen to "real" Irish guitarists.... there are certain techniques that I've not succeeded at learning yet (e.g., single-string triplets; Doyle has a great lesson on that on the Acoustic Guitar magazine website, you should check it out). And there's a certain feel, timing-wise, that I don't much have yet. There's lots of great guitarists to listen to, one place to start would be the album "Masters of the Irish Guitar." Nice survey of great stuff there.

Thanks again Zeal, glad we "met" here. You know, Linda is there in Dallas now.

Comment by Zeal S. on June 13, 2012 at 16:38

Hello Kathy,

NO WAY!??!  OH MY GOSH!!  I own ONE Irish album, that I listen to in my car all the time.  (Well, I do have church music I have to listen to and learn too)  I am extremely picky about who and what I listen to when I am trying to learn new sounds and music.  I don't like listening to music that I think will poorly influence my learning techniques.  Guess what that Album is??  "Out on the Ocean"!!  You're name in not on the CD itself, and I had no idea when I listened to you here, that you were the one playing on that album. 

See I really do listen intuitively to music.  I could hear your familiar style, but I had no idea that it was the same person that I have been listening to for months now.  I bou

I listened to Linda Relph

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